A withdrawn UN report's conclusion that the criminal occupation of Palestine and Israel's racist policies toward Palestinians are "apartheid" remain true.
“Israel is guilty of the international crime of apartheid.” With these words, Richard Falk presented a fresh-from-the-press UN report mid-March, while his colleague, Virginia Tilley, clarifies: “We are no longer talking about risk of apartheid but practice of apartheid.”
A momentous report
The two internationally renowned US scientists conducted the study on the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel on behalf of the United Nations organization Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA), which concluded: “The weight of the evidence supports beyond a reasonable doubt the contention that Israel is guilty of imposing an apartheid regime on the Palestinian people.” The report acknowledges the need for a proper international judicial process to provide these conclusions the necessary authority and therefore encourages UN courts to take on this task. With all its explosive nature, the report is a historic landmark because it is the first time that a UN organization has identified the permanent crimes committed by Israel as “apartheid”.
The reactions and defamations of the usual suspects were as crude as foreseeable. The Israeli UN ambassador Danny Danon said the report was “despicable and constitutes a blatant lie,” the US government was “outraged,” and the Israeli Foreign Ministry likened the report to Der Stürmer – the infamous anti-Semitic propaganda outlet of the Hitler years. A UN spokesperson distanced the UN from the report and said that it was an individual opinion and that “the report as it stands does not reflect the views of the secretary-general.”
Both the Israeli and the Trump administration have put enormous pressure on UN Secretary-General António Guterres to withdraw the report, but the head of the ESCWA, Rima Khalaf, who is responsible for the study, refused to withdraw it and rather resigned from her UN position in protest. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas announced that he will award Rima Khalaf for her “courage and support” for the Palestinian people with the Palestine Medal of the Highest Honor.
By that time, the report has been deleted from the UN website, but can be downloaded in full length here on JusticeNow!.
International law and Nazi propaganda
Throughout the entire report, the authors of the study make clear that they have applied only one standard to their research: International Law, and explicitly the definitions of apartheid as used by the United Nations and the International Criminal Court. Scrutinizing both treaties, it is difficult to find even a single point which does not apply to Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians: ethnically-based torture and murder, arbitrary arrest and illegal imprisonment, curtailment of fundamental human rights, such as freedom of speech, assembly or religion, denial of political, cultural and economic participation, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment “committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them.”
All of these points, which were written down more than four decades ago in the context of apartheid in South Africa, are unquestionably true of Israel 2017. The shameful attempt by the Israeli government to defame the UN report as Nazi propaganda thus comes to nothing, because technically, the Nazi allegation puts Der Stürmer and International Law on the same level.
But what is it specifically that makes Israel an apartheid state? Some core points.
Immigration as a tool for apartheid
One of the core themes of the withdrawn UN report is Israel’s immigration policy as a central tool for apartheid. While it is possible for all Jews of this world – and their spouses, children, grandchildren and all their spouses – to emigrate government-supported to Israel, this is strictly forbidden to all the Palestinians and their descendants who were expelled in the course of the violent formation of Israel in 1948. The UN estimates the Palestinian refugees around the world at around 5 million individuals, which thus represents by far the largest refugee group. The world’s 8 million Jews who are not residing in Israel, on the other hand, could emigrate to Israel at any time, although they usually do not have personal roots in the country. This religious and ethnically-based immigration policy is essentially racist, and is labeled by the UN report, along with some other measures such as the ethnic cleansing of 1948, with the somewhat dystopian, but entirely true, concept of “demographic engineering”.
A young Palestinian who lives in the Askar refugee camp near Nablus in the West Bank told me that in 1948 his grandparents had been driven out of the beautiful Mediterranean City of Haifa by Jewish militias, and had been crammed with countless others to this camp in the West Bank. He himself knows not too distant Haifa, of course, only from pictures and stories, but he understandably insists on his right to “return” to Haifa one day. While we were standing in the sordid Askar Camp and my buddy told me about his dreams, we looked at the increasingly growing illegal Jewish settlement on the opposite hill, with its villas heavily guarded by the military – this is apartheid.
Israeli settlements are war crimes
In addition to the question of the 1948 refugees’ right of return, the Israeli settlements in the West Bank constitute the second core issue in the Palestine-Israel conflict. As explicitly Jewish settlements, they are an integral part of Israeli apartheid, a racist tool of the “Judaization of Palestine” – and, in my opinion, the greatest obstacle to a just peace. To clearly point out one thing: any Jewish settlement in the occupied Palestinian territories is illegal. Any. Throughout the decades, the United Nations has condemned the Jewish settlements in many resolutions, constantly invoking the Geneva Conventions, which unequivocally state:
“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.”
Every Israeli Prime Minister, who is pushing the construction of settlements, is a war criminal under the Geneva Conventions. Benjamin Netanyahu has accelerated the construction of settlements like no other head of state before him. Since the so-called Oslo peace process in 1994, the number of settlers in the West bank and East Jerusalem has more than doubled to over 600,000 – Benjamin Netanyahu is thus an international criminal.
In connection with the systematic demolition of Palestinian homes, the permanent expansion of the existing and the construction of entirely new settlements have made the area of Palestine shrink a little further each day, which means that, in fact, the West Bank is already an Israeli sea, with scattered Palestinian islands swimming on it. The two-state solution proclaimed by virtually all actors worldwide as the way to peace has been a farce for years, it is the central lie in the conflict. For there is simply no longer a continuous territory on which the State of Palestine could be founded. A lasting solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict stands and falls with the issue of settlements.
Together with a Palestinian friend, one day we accidentally drove by bus inside Ariel, the largest settlement in the central West Bank. At the military checkpoint on the outskirts of the city, the bus stopped and two armed soldiers with machine guns at the ready entered and searched the bus for Arabs. My friend was lucky: with his relatively light skin, he did not look “like an Arab.”
Economic apartheid
The Jewish settlers, however, have no problem with exploiting Palestinian labor power in their settlements: officially more than 20,000 Palestinians reluctantly work in the Israeli settlements under strict military surveillance, thousands more without permits. Due to a lack of alternatives, some of my students in Nablus also make some money off the books in the settlements during the summer holidays. The cynicism of this absurd situation is obvious, a grueling inner struggle of one’s political convictions against the necessity of putting food on the table. Thus, 82 percent of the workers would stop their job in the settlements immediately, if there were alternatives at home. “All the choices you make under occupation,” Jerusalem-based economic researcher Hadeel Badarni explains, “are merely for economic survival and not collective self-determination.” But 50 years of Israeli occupation – coming along with the systematic destruction of infrastructure and resources (as the millionfold burning and uprooting of olive trees essential to Palestinian life), the daily heist of water and land, the often used cut-off of electricity, telephone, water or internet as a tool of collective punishment, the intolerable restriction on the freedom of movement and transportation by means of a tight network of road blocks, checkpoints and military bases, the control over the Palestinian tax revenues, and in particular the harassment and discrimination by the Israeli authorities in all imaginable areas – keep the Palestinian economy pushed to the ground. It would double in size without the occupation, as a 2016 UN report found.
One of the topics I personally hold near and dear are the Israeli industrial facilities scattered across the West Bank. At the An-Najah University in Nablus, in particular, we conducted research on the impact of the Nitzanei Shalom chemical industrial complex on the environment and the health of the population of the West Bank. Hundreds of Palestinian workers are forced to work in this factory complex under the most miserable conditions. Although all companies in Nitzanei Shalom are Israeli, Israeli soldiers are patrolling and all profits flow to Israel, the workers are employed under the Jordanian labor law of 1967 – an absurd legal trick whose “lawfulness” was recently officially confirmed by Israeli courts.
While non-existent safety measures in the inside of the factories make workers sick due to the unprotected handling of high-toxicity chemicals, the non-existent environmental protection measures make the population outside the factories sick in the entire surrounding area of the beautiful city of Tulkarem. The Israeli factories poison the groundwater with heavy metal, as well as the soil, which makes agriculture impossible. Highly toxic exhaust gases are blown into the air. The cancer rates are highly increased. Members of every family in the neighborhood suffer from lung, skin and eye diseases. As we passed the meters-high walls of the factory complex, I felt the sharp pain of acid in the air in my throat and lungs. Children were playing on the other side of the street.
Most of the year the wind in that area blows to the east – and the highly toxic fumes to the Palestinian side. The few days a year, when the wind turns towards Israel, the factories are driven down and stand still – that, too, is apartheid.
We lack courage
In addition to the aspects discussed above, there are a number of points, which draw the overall picture of Israeli apartheid. Especially the Israeli legal system, which provides a great number of laws explicitly beneficial for Jews. Or the immanent racism of the Israeli authorities, which is particularly evident in the crisis center of Jerusalem, where Palestinians often have to pay ludicrously high taxes and fees on their own houses. It is the undefined status under international law which makes it impossible for so many Palestinians to travel abroad. Psychologically, it is the daily humiliation living as second-class citizens. There is the meters-high “Apartheid Wall”, which is a violation of International Law and cuts deep into the West Bank annexing even more Palestinian territories. And in politics, of course, there is the right-wing extremist incredibly racist Netanyahu government – the ideological embodiment of apartheid – whose Minister of Defense wants to “pick up an axe and cut off the heads” of disloyal Arabs, and whose Minister of Justice candidly called for genocide against the Palestinian people.
It is quite clear that the authors of the supposedly explosive UN report, Richard Falk and Virginia Tilley, are correct with their analysis that Israel is an apartheid state. The fact that this historical landmark report is now in the trash cans of the UN headquarters in New York is a shame, as well it is a sign of lack of sincerity and lack of courage to name things by name.
Falk and Tilley hoped, by their clear words, to turn the issue of Israel-Palestine back into the consciousness of global public, thus stimulating the international community of supranational organizations, states, religions, the civil society and individuals to take action and to remind them of their commitments to the struggle against apartheid – a crime against humanity. The authors explicitly draw the historical analogy of overcoming the apartheid in South Africa in the 1990s. The downfall of decades-long apartheid in South Africa has been caused by an array of creative measures by the international community, including economic and cultural sanctions, the withdrawal of foreign investment, the principal condemnation of racism as a state fundament, trade boycott, as well as political pressure at all levels.
With similar creative – and unconditionally non-violent! – means the shameful apartheid regime in Israel will also be brought to its knees.
What we lack is courage.
This article was originally published in German at JusticeNow!.
MAKE HUMMUS, NOT ROCKETS.
Makes more sense.
Well, if you’re going to go there, Israel actually has an army, navy, and air force, whereas Palestine is virtually defenseless, and Israel’s violence against the Palestinians has occurred on an incomparably greater scale.
Yes, Israel may have an army, navy and air force, (Not that I believe that these forces saved them), if they do not have those, they, all of Israel population may have already been driven to the Mediterranean seas to extinction.
This is not about of whose sides have the greater military power, but in terms of behavior and motives. There is no wall if there are no suicide bombers. There is no Irone Dome if there are no flying rockets, etc.
Is a hypothetical fantasy the best argument you’ve got? Meanwhile, the reality is that Israel has always had superior military might and was established via the ethnic cleansing of most of the Arab population from their homes in Palestine.
Your comment is confusing. When Israel established a Jewish state in 1948, Israel is very weak militarily compared to the overwhelming Arabs that declared war immediately against Israel. Now, you still want to argue on the basis of military strength??? You may still argue that Israel is superior at that time against ALL ARAB powerful countries in the region including EGYPT?
Now during the YUM KIPPUR war, Israel was almost destroyed by its powerful enemies. Israel was then to prepare its last card, the moving of its nuclear weapon to deter Egypt, when the US detected this move, (THE US DID NOT HELP Israel at that time), and the US knowing that using a nuclear weapon is a big No, the U.S. provided Israel the needed help immediately, But, but at the same time, Israel was able to repel the enemies willing to destroy and annihilate the Jewish state. So the U.S. aid at that time was of little help.
Israel has been very weak since 1948, despite of the overwhelming powerful Arab states. Now you still want to argue on the basis of military strength by merely quoting the less powerful Palestinians ‘ HAMAS hiding under the protection of its civilian population? You should be fair with your criticism. I myself recognized that Israel may have violated human rights, but singling out Israel IS garbage!
How many peace DEALS that the Arabs and Palestinians dropped but Israel approved for the sake of peace, because the motives really is to eject Jewish population from its traditional homeland?
In history I have never seen any Palestinian people, only the extinct Philistines which by no way related to the modern Arabs in Palestine, who called themselves Palestinians.
You are correct to say that during the 1973 war, Zionist Israel was facing defeat.angpilip.
A CIA report of that war made clear that Zionist Israel had informed the USA administration that unless the USA intervened with help, tactical nuclear weapons would be used. No idle threat as the USA had supplied a delivery system for nuclear warheads.
The USA sent a squadron of F15 fighters which were painted in Israeli colours in the Azores before being flown by American Pilots who engaged the Egyptian and Syrian forces.
The CIA papers confirm that in the opinion of the Pentagon, Israel would be defeated unless the USA became covertly involved, a quite normal ploy, USSR Russian piloted Jets, marked in North Korean colours, joined in the Korean war while both North Korea and the USSR denied USSR involvement.
Far more significant was USA concerns that it might happen again at some time in the future, so a concerted effort was made by the USA to facilitate peace treaties between Egypt, Jordan and Syria.
The outcome was that the Sinai became permanently Egyptian with Egypt controlling the Rafah crossing into Gaza complying to Israeli wishes and peace treaties were signed by Egypt and Jordan with Israel, (That`s a very very simplification).
In return The USA promised $ Billions of annual aid to Egypt and Jordan, subject to the peace treaty conditions being maintained. In effect the USA is paying “protection” money on Israels behalf.
After the overthrow of Mubarak`s military Government, a Muslim Brotherhood was elected into power, almost immediately Morsi relaxed crossing restrictions at Rafah and forged an alliance with Hamas – and shortly after that the USA cut it`s aid payments to Egypt – and shortly after that there was a military coup, and a President Morsi crack down on the Rafah crossing – and shortly after that the USA renewed it`s payments to Egypt.
The USA backing of Zionist Israel is essential, it is pointless to pretend otherwise, without the USA 1973 would have had a very different outcome, their probably would not be peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan (Syria was offered the same USA deal, but refused).
The other significant factor is that the Egyptian people to-day have exactly the same kind of Military Government, as that of Mubarak, which they demonstrated that they did not want.
Your other two points are inaccurate, The Jewish Homeland is in Iraq, that`s where the Hebrews originate, that`s where Abraham was born, in the ancient city of Ur, close to to-days Basra.
Hieroglyphs, dating back 5,000 years refer to “Filistine” ( No “P” in Arabic), the first use of the modern spelling of Palestine was written some 450 B.C. by Herodotus, the Greek Father of History, when he described that part of the world, long before the Romans arrived there.
Hebrews are no longer living on the land of Abraham’s ancestors.
The Philistines as well as the Canaanites have been driven to extinction, and were replaced by the kingdom of David.
Why do we need to trace Abraham’s ancestors, when today we are talking about Arabs who called themselves Palestinians?
You have provided a couple of generalisations,angpilip, that are rather superficial and not at all historically accurate.
Right up to the 9th century France was known as Gaul, the Gauls were not driven into extinction, they simply became known as the French.
At the time of Abraham, what we now call the Middle East was all Egypt, Egypt was the worlds first Empire.
Their is architectural evidence that, circa 3,000 B.C. the “Jewish” Religion first appeared among the Hebrew Tribe who were living in that part of Egypt we now know as Southern Iraq, the Hebrew religion was not the first Monotheist religion,. but it is certainly the first one that gained popularity in a a world of predominantly pagan God`s.
From what little is known of “Abraham`s” travels to Canaan, it would appear he first lived in Hebron, moving to what we now, in the West, call Jerusalem in his later years. The ruling authorities in that part of the world were Pagan, David appeared some 400 years after Abraham arrived, he and his son Solomon were the first Jewish administration and their “rule” lasted for no more than 69 years after which Pagan rule was re-established. It would not be until Roman occupation that Jewish rule was experienced again, and that was the Roman “puppet” King Herod.
Pagan Gods were predominant right up to 300 A.D. when the Roman Emperor Constantine, imposed Christianity as the official Roman Religion and mover the Roman capital from Rome to Constantinople (now Istanbul) which later became what we now call the Byzantine Empire.
In Italy itself Pagan Gods predominated right up to the 8th century, when the Germania (Roman name) born Charlemagne conquered most of Europe imposing Christianity as he went, with great brutality, 6,000 Saxons were beheaded in one day for holding to their Pagan Gods.
While Judaism never gained a universal following, there were several Jewish Arabs who rose to power and ruled in Kurdistan (Adiabene) and Yemen (Himyarite) then there was the Ethiopian Jewish “Kingdom of Semien and in the Crimea, Ukraine and large parts of Southern Russia there was the largest and most recent (7th to 10th century) Jewish Kingdom of Khazarea. I could list dozens more smaller and short lived areas that had leaders who were Jewish.
By the 11th century Christianity was dominant in Europe, and in the Middle and Far East Islam was dominant, both those Semite religions gained converts from Pagans and Jews alike, that was a natural, gradual and quite normal for those days. .
The word “Arab” was first created by the Assyrians, some 1,200 B.C. (The Assyrians replaced the Egyptian “Empire”), and used to describe the people under Assyrian occupation when for the first time the word “Arabia” was used to describe the various areas of the Middle East.
Mohammad founded Islam in Medina and Mecca in that part of “Arabia” that was called Hijaz, it was not until 1934 that the name Saudi Arabia was created. I mention this as you seem to confuse Arab with Islam. Arab came first, Islam arrived nearly 2,000 years later.
David ben Gurion and Yitzhak ben Zvi, both stated many many times, and wrote in their books; “The Palestinian are the descendants of the inhabitants of the ancient land of Judea”. Of course they are, over thhe years most of them converted to Christianity and Islam.
And why not? It`s the same God!
European Zionism, since the 19th century, has insisted on the creation of a homeland occupied exclusively by Jews, most non-Jews have been driven beyond Zionist Israel`s borders, those that have remained are regarded as undesirable and are classified as second class citizens.
What we have to-day is an artificial European Zionist Colony in the heart of the Middle East, created by Britain and sustained by the USA, with the most effective and concentrated propaganda technique that is designed to obscure the reality of events in Zionist Israel.
Zionist Israeli Hasbara propagand has never fooled the people in the Middle East, nor does it fool those who look behind the headlines, which is very easy these days!. .
” I mention this as you seem to confuse Arab with Islam. Arab came first, Islam arrived nearly 2,000 years later.”
The problem of your comment is to assume what I might thinking this way and then argue from that point making your arguments nonsense.You might be knowledgeable (I still have to verify if your historical comments are true). Example:
“The ruling authorities in that part of the world were Pagan, David appeared some 400 years after Abraham arrived,”
The number you mentioned is completely wrong. There was Abraham, after 400 years came Moses, After Moses 400 years later came King David.
But lecturing me on history is irrelevant, for we are talking of Israel settling there in Canaan. If you are American, then, you should allow Indians to rule America and leave the continent because the Europeans settling in continental Northern America is committing genocide and can be called Apartheid states, if ever your motive for commenting here is to convince me that Israel needs to leave Israel(Palestine), because it is the land of the Palestinians to whom you called the descendants of the original inhabitants there without citing verifiable and reliable source. You can’t convince by mere assertion, you have to prove it.
“And why not? It`s the same God!”
Please, don’t interject a subject that is beyond the scope of the discussion and beyond the scope of your knowledge.
You evade the point with regard to pagan rule before David and Solomon`s administration
and after, until the Romans installed King Herod, architectural evidence suggests that was 400 years after the arrival of Abraham. If you believe the period was 800 years, then it simply confirms that the followers of the Hebrew religion were not the majority, in that part of the world.
300 A.D. Christianity had the “lucky” break of becoming the official Roman Religion, it`s not known how many Jews converted, but they did, those that held to the Jewish religion had problems accepting Jesus as “The Son of God” or “The Messiah”. Islam solved that problem, Islam also rejected Jesus as the son of God, but Islam accepts Jesus as a Prophet of God. There is good historical documentation of large numbers of Jewish converts to Islam.
Judaism is a fine old well respected Religion, Judaism is the foundation on which the two later Semite Religions of Christianity and Islam were built. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all venerate the God of Abraham
You state I should not interject on a subject beyond the discussion and beyond my knowledge, yet it appears that that is what you are doing, your comments are simply “assertions”!
As for America, I agree there is a long history of genocide committed by European settlers, the comparison with Zionist Israel however is fundamentally different; America was a huge unpopulated area, the native Americans were, in the main, nomadic or semi nomadic, and were vastly outnumbered by hundreds of years of European immigration.
While today Native Americans have their reservations, there are no legal restrictions to any Native American who wishes to integrate into USA society, that also applies to Americans who have slave origins.
In Zionist Israel it is not possible for a non-Jewish Palestinian to marry a Israeli Jew, such marriages do exist, referred to a “Mixed Marriages” where both partners are classified as “Residential Citizens” with all of the restrictions applicable to Palestinians who remained in their homes as Israeli borders were expanded
You are lecturing on the historical narratives of Abraham’s ancestors which has nothing to do absolutely of the Jewish existence, which clearly you posit errors undermining your historical credibility. I suggest you cite source, you cannot be your own witness.
Islam and Christianity = same God? I ask you not to interject subject you knew nothing about.
Yes, I am asserting while you are lecturing on a subject that is beyond the assertion of “Israel is an apartheid state” and I asked you questions why Israel was single out when in fact, there is NO sizable Jewish population in any Arab state that practically ENJOYED THE SAME RIGHTS as its native population. When in FACT in Israel Arab Palestinians who wanted to be Israeli citizens have given those rights equal and even with political power, virtually IMPOSSIBLE for a Jew to acquire in any Arab state.
There must be something wrong with how the Palestinian negotiations or there is a double standard you impose on Israel.
Apartheid is a word with a very specific legal meanings; As defined by The International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the crime of Apartheid, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly and ratified by the majority of UN member States. Zionist Israel and the USA are exceptions, to their shame.
According to article 2. of that convention, the term “Apartheid” applies to the act of; “Committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining dominance of one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them”,
The Zionist Israeli “Population Registry Law of 1965” is designed to ensure Zionist Israel establishes and maintains dominance over the intrinsic Palestinian population.
The refusal of Zionist Israel to permit 5 million U.N. registered Palestinian refugees the right of return to their homeland, simply because they are non-Jewish, is another obvious example, despite the Zionist Israeli promise to do so in 1948.
I have given you the courtesy of suggesting areas of research that would discredit the beliefs that you have, you have chosen to reject them, even asserting that I lack knowledge, that`s a typical response of someone who relies on superficialities, myths legends and folk law to maintain their beliefs.
You are afraid to address the truth of Zionist Israeli Apartheid, a truth that would force yourself to confront your racism – and your self delusional requirement to believe in the non- existent Zionist Israeli claim of moral superiority.
What a shame, angpilipiomgayon, that you wish to maintain the Zionist Israeli Apartheid policies, instead of taking a more civilised approach of integrating in to Palestinian and Middle Eastern society, as every other occupational forces have done for the past 5,000 years.
And you demonstrate a childish refusal to accept that the God of Abraham is the same one that is venerated by Muslims, and Christians, I suppose you believe that the Sun moves around the earth?.
Baybars ordered the rebuilding of the Rachel`s Tomb in Hebron when he was driving the Crusaders out of the Levant, no prizes for guessing what religion he followed! .
I may change stance based on the evidence if it support of what you claim here, but there is a problem, you did not answer my question, that a clear “REAL” world example of an apartheid state. I love to know if there are sizable Jewish populations in the Arab states enjoying the same rights as its native citizens? HAVE YOU? Or you are preaching double standard here.
If I were Israel, I will see to it that the Jewish population are dominant not because we loved being apartheid, but for survival purposes. In 1948, all Arab states wanted the destruction of Israel and several peace deals with Israel and Palestianian after that were turned down by the Palestinians.
I can’t blame Israel for it when the surrounding nations wanted its destruction since 1948. And you have mentioned that the Arabs in Israel which they labeled themselves Palestinians are native of that area or the descendants of the ancient Canaanites? Am I correct or I missed reading it. I love to see your evidence/citations.
Israel also traced its ancestors in the land, their religious tradition clearly originated in ancient Israel, while you mentioned that these modern Jews were Europeans. It is correct that many of them were European “Jews” driven by the Nazi regimes and other anti semitics.
It is quite complex, Dear Mike Thomson, and it is not magic. You can’t just change the perspective especially if your treatise involves historical narratives that are questionable at least and even cited your religious knowledge that Islam and Christianity shared the same God. Who are you to say that to a committed Christian, do you respect beliefs? Then why would you say “Childish” when it is clear from Christianity’s doctrine that Christianity’s God and Islam’s God is vastly different? Similarity? Yes, monotheistic, but nevertheless very different. Don’t lecture if you are on the other side of the fence, and try to label as childish if we don;’t accept your religious belief.
There are no Arab countries who legislate to treat Arab Jews differently their Jewish or Christian citizens of those countries, not even Saudi Arabia and certainly not Iran (which is not quite “Arab”.
Most Arab countries do not accept visitors traveling on Israeli passports, in exactly the same way that Israel does not accept travelers holding Arab passports (Egypt and Jordan excepted, subject to visa approval).
No Arab country, indeed no Muslim country has ever experienced the burning alive of any of it`s Jewish citizens, as happened on two occasions (causing 4 deaths) to Palestinians living under Israeli occupation in 2016.
The USA appointed King-Crane Commission was sent in 1919 to explore the possibility of founding a Jewish homeland in Palestine, it`s findings were very clear; “Such a proposal was unfeasible as it would require the removal of the intrinsic Palestinian population, and could only be sustained by force of arms” – That prophecy is the situation we have today.
The Holocaust did not happen in Palestine – Why then are Palestinians punished for the crimes that were committed in Europe?
Both David ben Gurion and Yitzhak ben Zvi, stated many many times, and wrote in their books; “The Palestinians are the descendants of the inhabitants of the ancient land of Judea”. Of course they are, over the centuries most converted to Christianity and Islam. A 1854 Ottoman Census in Palestine also recorded religious beliefs, which showed that 85% of Palestinians were Muslim, 15% were Christian and 5% were Jewish.
From 1920, the Zionist Agency in Palestine insisted on exclusive “Jewish only” areas in Palestine. Every one of the annual British reports to the League of Nations recorded that Britain had “Forcibly Removed” Palestinians, “For their own safety” from areas demanded by European Zionist immigrants.
In 1934, Britain proposed to install Jordan`s Abdullah as ruler in Palestine, Abdullah accepted Jewish areas would have a degree of autonomy and guaranteed representation in a Parliament, but the Zionist Agency rejected this out of hand.
,Britain had trained Hagana members in warfare, including them when on patrol, and the use of heavy weapons, including Tanks. In November 1944, Britain officially recognised Hagana as the official Zionist Army. They were 150,000 highly proficient soldiers with a wide range of specialities and modern heavy weapons.
Palestinians were not provided with such support, nor were any of the “surrounding” Arab armies, indeed what weapons Britain had supplied were obsolete. In 1947, both the British military and the USA CIA were confident that Arab resistance would be ineffective.
During the actual conflict, the British Officers seconded to the Jordan Army were ordered to remain in barracks and not become involved. The USA supplied weapons, despite a UN arms embargo, (3 B17 bombers arrived withing 3 weeks of the UN partition plan). When the British left from Haifa, they did not destroy their military equipment, rather they left it intact, hence the Zionist attack on Haifa to capture those weapons (including enough Spitfire parts to assemble 2 complete aircraft).
Zionist immigrants had no need to compromise with Palestinians, they had military superiority then, they have it now. But it would have been far, far better had European Zionist immigrants integrated into Palestinian society rather than demanding an exclusive Jewish State that relies on Military Superiority as the first resort, sooner or later a opposing force will emerge, it always does – then their will be tears.
Sima Vaknin, the Minister in charge of “Suppression and Propaganda” coyly named the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, stated on the 31st August 2016, “The Countries of the world regards (Zionist) Israel as a Pariah State”, she of all people should know.
Then last August in the Knesset, ex-Prime Minister Ehud Barak stated “(Zionist) Israel is becoming a Fascist State”, ex-Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon stated at the same time “(Zionist) Israel is acting like a Fascist State”.
When two leading Zionist Israeli figures compare the actions of Zionist Israel with those of Nazi Germany, the world should be concerned. Two organisations formed by Israelis who have no doubt that Zionist Israeli is an Apartheid State.
For some strange reason, you seem to have a need to believe I`m a Muslim, or anti Jewish! For what it`s worth I think that all religions are superstitious nonsense that have no real place in the 21st century, that said you also seem to have difficulty in accepting the The Jewish and Muslim God are one and the same.
Judaism rejects the teachings of Jesus, Christianity rejects the teachings of Mohammad but accepts the teachings of Abraham and Moses and the words of Jesus. Islam accepts the words of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad, While Islam does not accept that Jesus was the son of God (The Messiah), Islam does accept Jesus as a Prophet of God.
Why is that such a problem for you I wonder? It`s a “Spoiled Child” attitude as far as I`m concerned, but that`s religion for you!
“”The Palestinians are the descendants of the inhabitants of the ancient land of Judea”. Of course they are, over the centuries most converted to Christianity and Islam. A 1854 Ottoman Census in Palestine also recorded religious beliefs, which showed that 85% of Palestinians were Muslim, 15% were Christian and 5% were Jewish.”
First: Which books?
Second: How did the Judeans gave up their Jewish identity turning themselves now as Palestinians, is that easy given the massacre at Masada?
Third: How come the Europeans converted into Judaism and called themselves Jewish and then invade Palestine?
“For what it`s worth I think that all religions are superstitious nonsense”
That would be enough that ruins your credibility here. You open this can of worms and still playing the expert card. When you said “nonsense” it must be your personal, but you need to assess arguments fairly, when you throw it nonsense as a form of argument, you are merely saying “I give up”.
” that have no real place in the 21st century, that said you also seem to have difficulty in accepting the The Jewish and Muslim God are one and the same.”
You need to do more research in this regard, but the “nonsense” part from your statements seems the task so unlikely for you to pursue.
“Why is that such a problem for you I wonder? It`s a “Spoiled Child” attitude as far as I`m concerned, but that`s religion for you!”
I think you are matured enough to believe that the world does not revolve around your opinion.
Now why am I not surprised, angpilipinongayon, that you ask “Which Books of ben Gurion and ben Zvi mention Palestinians being the descendants of the inhabitants of ancient Judea”! You display the standard behaviour of every Hasbara volunteer who finds themselves out of their depth!
Yitzhak ben Zvi – “The peoples of our Land”
David ben Gurion – “The Jews in their land”
Both write about the conversion over the years of Jewish Palestinians to Christianity and Islam.
Two current Zionist Israeli researchers Tavi Misnai and Rachel Avraham also write about Palestinians being the descendants of the inhabitants of Judea despite religious conversions – it`s not rocket science!
“The massacre at Masada”, I think you mean the Mass suicide at Masada, a not unique event in those days and not unknown in later years. In 1946, some 16,000 Japanese women, Children and old men committed suicide by leaping off cliffs on the Island of Okinawa, motivated, presumably, by preferring death to capture by USA troops. No one in their right mind would claim those Japanese were massacred by Americans.
In Masada, the Romans would have been pretty annoyed, at finding 2, 000 corpses rather that 2,000 valuable slaves, in those days manpower was more valuable than gold and it was slaves that made the Roman world go around.
Until 300 A.D. The Romans persecuted Christians, all other “Gods” were tolerated, but Christians had a hard time, no matter how high their social standing no Christian was safe in the Roman Empire, yet a captured Palestinian Jewish Rebel Leader, Josephus, rose to great authority while keeping his Jewish faith, marrying 3 Jewish female slaves, raising a family and retiring to Rome as a Roman Citizen, for Christians that would have been impossible at that time..
European Jews, in the main, converted to Judaism, as did Chinese Jews, Indian Jews and African Jews.
In the courts of Emperor Charlamagne (I hope you have heard of him) there were several European Jews employed as advisors, a Christian advisor in those course, Deacon Bodo was so impressed that he converted to Judaism, while his Spanish Jewish court advisor buddy Paul Alvers, converted to Christianity.
Judaism spread among pagans wherever there was trade, one God was so much more uncomplicated and there was no chance of upsetting any of the thousands of Pagan Gods, how do those Hindus manage I wonder?
I note that you have made no response to the many “points of history” I provided for you, at your request, however I thank you for the complement you have given me by analysing my reasons for rejecting any religious beliefs.
As for Zionist Israel being an Apartheid State, that has been very well established from the very beginning, and first mentioned by President Carter in the late 1970`s and by every USA administration ever since, but not Donald`s, at least not yet!
“The USA sent a squadron of F15 fighters”
In 1973. Right.
The F-15 entered service in 1976!
This is the level of your ENTIRE post.
ZERO facts. Lies. Lies. Lies.
You just throw them at the wall and try to see what will stick.
Who`s a clever boy then, QcC, eh!
Well spotted, in fact the squadron flown by American flight crews in 1973 were F4 Phantoms, and all were left in Israel. The Jewish Virtual Library gives a good record of the manipulations of Lindon Johnson by Israel in order to obtain official approval of the purchase of F4 Phantoms, the 1973 war was a convenient excuse that enabled approval for future F4 Phantoms to be officially supplied.
There is an excellent report of the 1973 war available in CIA record, now released to the public, it documents the Israeli threat to use tactical nuclear weapons if USA support was not forthcoming.
I suppose if you read a report listing all of brown eyed Adolf Hitlers crimes, your childish logic would claim that as his eyes were blue, none of his crimes were committed!
It`s also a standard Hasbara volunteer technique to avoid adult debate by claiming comments that challenge their beliefs, could only be lies – that`s the immature logic of the schoolyard.
I am in no way arguing in a hypothetical fantasy, why should you try to pin my arguments based on hypothetical fantasy? I am not even arguing on the basis of military strength (for that is irrelevant). What is the motives of the HAMAS, did they recognize a Jewish state in Palestine, or a complete Jewish destruction! Cite a source that says HAMAS’s official policy is a recognition of a Jewish state in Palestine.
Now, where where you when some Arab states have significant JEWISH population? If you were a Jew in Saudi Arabia, what would be your fate? Build a home please in Egypt or in Iran, and put on the David’s star on it to proclaim that you are a Jew and is living in a NON-Apartheid Arab state. Now where are the Jewish population once living in these Arab states?
How can Israel be an Apartheid state wherein it recognizes Arab contributions to its democracy and even some Arabs are members of Israel’s unicameral parliament? Ethnic cleansing, I don’t see any evidence for it except for a war between Palestine and Israel.
Try to reverse this, if ever some Arab states recognizes Jewish contribution to its government in the same way that Israel recognizes Arab Israeli citizens to have the same rights as Jewish citizens in Israel.
It seems you guys are so one sided.
In 1948,angpilip. Zionist Israel conducted “Operation Flying Carpet”, where RAF based throughout the M.E. were used to transport Arab Jews onto Israel free of charge, with the promise of free furnished homes (belonging to Palestinians who had fled in from of Zionist forces), and a cash lump sum.
Zionist Israeli Government figures document between 200,000 and 250,000 Arab Jews who immigrated to Zionist Israel this way. Arial Sharon was involved, he later wrote about a sizable group of Arab Jews in Baghdad who preferred to remain living in Baghdad by stating “If we had to burn a few Synagogues to persuade them to leave, what did it matter” (Off hand I can`t recall which book that was in).
There was never an “Arab expulsion of Arab Jews” , that is simply a fabrication that has entered mythology!
Iran, for example has a current population of some 30,000 Iranian Jews (and 300,000 Iranian Christians) with their rights guaranteed in the constitution and seats guaranteed in the Iranian parliament, indeed a Iranian Jew is a member of Iran`s United Nations delegation.
There are 15 synagogues, 2 Kosher restaurants and 1 Jewish library in Tehran alone, some Iranian Jews accepted the services of “Operation Flying Carpet” and those who chose to remain have to-day, an open offer of $60,000 if they emigrate to Zionist Israel.
On a recent BBC TV documentary, an Iranian Jew, David Shumer (I think) was asked if he would emigrate to Israel, he replied “Why should I? I`m and Iranian Jew, not a Jewish Israeli” (not verbatim)
As for Saudi Arabia, that is probably the most repressive of Arab countries, not just Jews or Christians, but anyone who does not follow the Wahhabi version of Islam can have problems!
Historically the Hashimite dynasty ruled in Hijaj, the Hashimite armies of Abdhulla and Feisal fought with the British against the Ottomans, The Hashimite armies were in Syria when the very secondary Hijaz family of Saudi conducted a Coup and threw the Hashimite authority out and assumed control in 1924.
American oil companies had discovered oil potential in Hijaz and signed oil concessions with the Saudis, conditional on USA support (which continues today). in 1934 Hijaz was renamed Saudi Arabia, with the support of Wahhabi clerics persuaded by promised of wealth beyond their wildest dreams, has created a country where control of it`s citizens makes North Korea, in comparison, seem like paradise on earth.
As for Palestinians living in Zionist Israel, first they are not full citizens, they are classified as “Residential Citizens”. It is not possible for a Palestinian non-Jew to marry a Israeli Jew, not even in a civil ceremony, unlike all Arab countries with the exception of Saudi Arabia. It was possible at one time for such marriages to take place outside Israel and be recognised within Israel (where they are referred to as “Mixed Marriages”), but the Jewish partner was re-classified as “Residential citizen” and any children born from such unions would be deported at the age of 12 with or without the parents.
It has been over 7 years since Palestinian non-Jews returning from a marriage abroad have been allowed re-entry into Zionist Israel. There are over 60 Zionist Apartheid Laws that are applicable only to Palestinian “Residential Citizens” breach any one and deportation could result, and still is.
Palestinian Israeli villages and schools are allocated funding of 25% of that allocated to Israeli villages and schools, despite taxation assessed equally. There are Palestinian Israeli members of the Knesset, that said they are excluded from debates in matters of security, and Palestinian MK`s are regularly suspended, simply for objecting to injustice as they see it.
What a shame that those early European immigrants rejected assimilation into Palestinian society, had they done so what a far, far better place we would now have.
Try D.K Fieldhouse`s book Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 – 1958, it`s not cheap, but it`s worth every penny, written as foundation reading for UK University students of Middle East modern history, the British don`t come out of it very well at all!
Utter, complete BULLSHIT.
After the first line, there’s no need to read anything more.
“Operation Magic Carpet” was the nick name of “Operation Wings of Eagles” which operated from June 1948 to September 1950. It was the only way that Jewish Arabs could enter Israel, documentated in the Hasbara archives as “Mass expulsion of Arab Jews from Arab lands”, which is accepted only by the ignorant.
May 1991 “Operation Solomon” flew a total of 14,200 Ethiopian Jews to Israel, including a 747 flight that carried a total of 1,088 passengers, still a world record!
And in March 2016, Israel flew 19 Yemeni Jews into Israel, a further 44 declined to be evacuated.
What a great shame that Zionist Israel does not show similar concern for non-Jewish Palestinians, the situation in Israel and Palestine would be so much better if they did.
Hamas has long expressed its acceptance of a state neighboring Israel along the 1949 armistice lines (pre-June 1967 lines).
Your denial of the fact that Israel was established via the ethnic cleansing of 700,000 Arabs from their homes in Palestine is untenable:
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/11/14/benny-morriss-untenable-denial-of-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/
WTF???
Why in the world do you LIE like that?
Hamas says in its original charter that its FIRST goal is to destroy Israel and in the hypothetical event they should succeed, they then want to impose Islam and Sharia law on the rest of the world.
IN THEIR OWN WORDS.
They never changed.
Hamas NEVER said that they would ever want to live at peace with Israel.
NEVER.
Hypocrite.
How so?
Actually, angpilipinongayon ( a tricky username!), for years I also held your “misconception” about “Palestinian terrorism” and Zionist Israeli “forced” self defence, probably because I only had access to the Zionist Israeli perspective – and I had no reason to doubt what I read.
I was very surprised to discover that on average each year 29 Zionist Israeli are murdered by Zionist Israelis, which outnumber the average annual number of Zionist Israelis murdered by Palestinian “terrorists”
As for the rockets from Gaza, the total of Zionist Israelis killed by these in the past 11 years is a total of 44, that`s just 4 deaths, on average each year.
You mentioned child deaths, and that`s where it get`s really obscene, since records were first published in September 2000, a total of 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians – during the same time 2,150 Palestinian children have been killed by Zionist Israelis, that`s a ration of 1 to 16. When it comes to adult deaths, 10 Palestinians are killed by Zionist Israelis for every 1 Zionist Israeli killed by Palestinians.
There can be no justification for killing children, there is usually, and quite justifiably, wide publicity in the event of Israeli child killings, yet usually a deafening silence when it comes to the killing of Palestinian children.
I`m unsure of your comment “The Goal of the complete destruction of Israel”, I know of no “Arab” leadership that has stated that view, the Hamas Charter is often claimed to state “destruction”, yet in that Charter, Israel is not mentioned, it`s a rather rambling statement about God`s will, though it does refer to Saladin and the Crusaders. It`s also available on the internet, just be careful that you are not reading one of the several propaganda versions that pretend to be the real thing.
The USA website “If Americans Knew” is a good starting point for anyone wishing to look beyond the headlines, the stats they publish contain the source materiel, most of which can be directly accessed.
The problem with Zionist Israel is it`s demand for an exclusive Jewish State, free of non-Jews, or as free as it can be, there is nothing in the Torah that states that land desired by Jews must be cleared of non-Jews. The large majority of the worlds some 15 million Jews, live and integrate into their respective homelands societies where they are a religious minority, they have neither the need nor the desire to live on occupied Palestinian land – but that is the goal of Zionism, and has been since the 19th century .
“Actually, angpilipinongayon ( a tricky username!),”
None of your business.
I have yet to read your citations of your claims about deaths.
“There can be no justification for killing children, there is usually, and quite justifiably, wide publicity in the event of Israeli child killings, yet usually a deafening silence when it comes to the killing of Palestinian children.”
In what way the Arab children killed? By suicide or by air raids, or by ramming trucks or by tanks?
About the complete destruction, you must be a hypocrite if Hamas does not specifically target Israel. If not, Saudi Arabia? Impossible.
I want to be fair, how do I know if your comments here are not part of the Palestinian propaganda?
You are quite correct, your username is none of my business. That said I feel it is polite to use the poster name when replying to comments, I simply find yours rather tricky to spell.
If you are genuine in your declaration that you “want to be fair”, you would first have explored the source materiel of “If Americans Knew” from there it is very easy to refine your research into whatever topic you wished to investigate, any layman would find that very easy..
Instead, angpilipinongayon, you seem to assume that Palestinian children are the cause of their own deaths. To provide 2,150 derails which, with the greatest respect, you would not digest, even if you were to actually read what would be a massive amount of information.
Instead I suggest you Google the name of a 12 year old Palestinian girl, Imman Daweesh al-Hams, who was shot dead as she walked along the path she had taken for 7 years on her way to school. No Zionist Israeli was ever charged with her murder, no Zionist Israeli was convicted, and that is the case with all 2,150 Palestinian Children`s deaths.
I have replies earlier about the situation of Arab Jews in Arab countries, yet to hold the assumption that they will be badly treated. Do you mean thhat they would be as badly treated as were those 2,150 Palestinian children?
You also seem to have the belief that this is a Jewish verses Christian and Muslim Arabs, it is not. Zionist Israel is a European Colony in the heart of the Middle East that has rejected any suggestion that they should share Palestinian land with Palestinians. They are opposed simply because they are imposing an unjust (and outdated) European Colony – they would get the same reaction id they were Druids.
In the Knesset, in August 2016 Ehud Barak and Moshe Yaalon both stated, “(Zionist) Israel is acting like and becoming a Fascist State” When an ex- Israeli Prime Minister and an ex-Israeli Minister of Defence compares the actions of Zionist Israel with those of Nazi Germany, the world should be seriously concerned.
The large majority of the worlds some 15 million followers of Judaism have neither the need, nor the desire to live on occupied Palestinian land, those that do support Zionist Israel seem to have the need to turn a blind eye on the policies implemented by Zionist Israelis, it`s known as self delusion..
Your “If American Knew” will require time.
“you seem to assume that Palestinian children are the cause of their own deaths. ”
No, do not speak words to my mouth!
I might be suggesting, HAMAS under the cover of Palestinian civilians(Including schools and hospitals) while firing rockets at Israeli civilians. The counter attack by Israel leading to the location of a rocket launch will cause massive civilian casualties, then the media will take pictures on it and release to the world. Our president suffered the same fate to international media. I have read one reporter covering it and have seen Palestinian militants launching a rocket near to his location.
“instead I suggest you Google the name of a 12 year old Palestinian girl,”
What I’ve got is a 14-year old palestinian girl who crossed a check point allegedly trying to attack, and a 12-year old palestinian girl who was released from Jail by Israeli authorities.
Ok, can you cite for me a sizable Jewish population in any of the Arab states in the region, enjoying the same human rights as the native citizens of the host Arab state?
Did I mentioned that Arab Palestinians in Israel enjoyed the freedom of democracy? Now please kindly show me today(Not in the past), that there are sizable Jewish population in some Arab states in the region, enjoying the freedom of native citizens of their host country?
You may not be aware, but it was in the 1970`s that Israel (Arial Sharon) persuaded Sheik Ahmed Yassin, to form a political party, which became Hamas, to appose Arafats PLO.
Sheik Yassin was regarded by Arafat as an Israeli collaborator, certainly Yassin had the backing of Israel.
Yassin did not accept the 1993 Oslo Accord, Arafat had agreed to disband the military wing of the PLO, in exchange Israel agreed to a phased withdrawal from the occupied West Bank. Yassin did not believe Israel would carry out it`s part of the agreement and was vocal in his objections. This is the basis of the Zionist claim that Hamas does not recognise the right of Israel to exist.
As things turned out, Yassin was correct, It`s a moot point that had Yitzhak Rabin not been assassinated by a Zionist Israeli, perhaps Israel would have conducted it`s promised withdrawal from the West Bank, as it is today, there is open talk by Netanyahu of permanently annexing the Palestinian West Bank.
Yassin was old and wheelchair bound when, in 2004, he was assassinated, in Gaza, by a Zionist Israeli helicopter missile attack, recorded and broadcast throughout the world (just one of the over 350 Zionist Israeli assassinations of Palestinian leaders, such political assassinations were legalised in 2006 by the Israeli Supreme Court, the only country in the world to legalise political murders).
The election of Hamas in 2007, was a reflection of the anger and frustration of the Palestinian of Gaza.
Your assertion that Hamas hides in schools and hospitals has been discredited by every United Nations organisation within Gaza. and in 11 years of Hamas administration Hamas rockets have killed only 44 Israelis, that`s less that 25% of the annual rate of suicide of IDF soldiers during that time.
Palestinian “Residential citizens” of Zionist Israel suffer from the Apartheid policies of Zionist Israel, even Israeli Knesset members accept that reality.
As for Jewish Arabs in Arab countries, a better question to ask would be; How many have been burned alive, like 16 year old Mohammad Abu Khdeir on Jerusalem, or baby Ali Saad Dawabsheh in the West Bank village of Duma, both his parents later died from their burns.
It`s disingenuous to suggest that alleged crimes (without foundation) in Arab countries are a justification for crimes committed by Zionist Israelis against Palestinians, simply because they are non-Jewish.
In my firs response to your comments, I said that I once held your beliefs, until I started to look beyond the headlines, you could try that yourself, but seem reluctant to do so. that is your right of course, but it`s a myopic attitude.
FAKE!
100% FAKE.
You lie when you say that you “used to believe differently”. That’s supposed to make you look as some “neutral observer”.
No one is buying it.
Like all supporters of Zionist Israel, ignorance of the reality is essential if support is to be maintained, QcC.
To-day it`s very easy to look behind the headlines, and it seems more and more people are doing just that.
BDS is just 11 years old and gaining increasing support. During the last 10 years several Jewish anti Zionist Organisation have been formed – “If Not Now”, “Jews for Justice for Palestinians” Jews for Justice for Palestine”, “The International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network”, “Jewish Voice for Peace” are just a few, there are several more in Israel itself.
Then there is “Apartheid Israel” a group of 100 of the worlds leading universities who publicise each year the realities for Palestinians living under Zionist occupation, not a completely Jewish organisation, but many Jewish academics participate.
Don`t confuse anti-Zionism with anti-Jewish – Judaism is a fine old religion, the foundation on which the two later Semite religions of Christianity and Islam were built – Zionism is a European Nationalistic Racist Political movement, no different to the Nazi European Nationalistic Racist Political movement, particularly in Zionism emulation of the Nazi superiority ideals.
Zionism is a disgrace to Judaism – Zionist Israel brings shame upon Jews.
BDS = Nazis
It’s that simple.
And they don’t “gain support”. That’s your wishful thinking.
The more people learn about the REAL nature of the conflict and are confronted with Muslims in their own countries, the more they understand what is really happening in Israel.
BDS does`nt gain support, QcC! YOU CAN`T BE SERIOUS!!!
Only yesterday (11th July 2018) The Irish Senate passed the first reading of a bill aimed to make all Zionist Israeli products manufactured in the occupied Palestinian West Bank Illegal and banned from being imported into Ireland.
That`s despite a visit by Bibi a couple of weeks ago attempting to stop the then proposed Irish legislation.
Zionist Israel has expanded it`s borders to include all of Palestine, part of Syria and the Lebanon (Lebanon is 45% Christian), creating 5 million UN registered Palestinian refugees all whom are denied the right of return to their homeland.
Zionist Israel has between 200 and 400 nuclear warheads (and a USA supplied Tomahawk delivery system) – compare that with North Korea that has perhaps 10 nuclear warheads, but has not expanded the 1953 borders.
The more people learn about the real nature of Zionist Israel the more people will support BDS.
Zionism is a disgrace to Judaism – Zionist Israel brings shame upon Jews.
a) There is no such thing as a “zionist ideology”. Zionism simply meant the desire to create a State for Jews, given the number of antisemitic a*holes who still exist on this planet.
This goal has been accomplished successfully – Israel is a hugely successful and fantastic country.
b) the “first reading” of some corrupt bastards in Ireland who have probably taken a lot of money means NOTHING.
c) Israel did not “expand” – it had to DEFEND against violent aggression. Their taking territory from their attackers was 100% LEGITIMATE. Just as it is legitimate that France and Poland took land from Germany, after WWII.
d) the claim that “Arabs had nothing to do with the Holocaust” is a blatant lie – the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a huge fan and ally of Hitler. He provided him with 2 divisions of Muslim SS soldiers who were mostly used as concentration camp guards. In total, more than 600’000 Muslims volunteered for the Nazi army.
e) Israel may or may not have nuclear weapons. Who cares? It’s totally irrelevant, as they do not threaten anyone. If they were a thuggish regime like various Muslim countries, they would, but we have NOTHING to fear from Israel.
You obviously make up BULLSHIT as you go along. Who is supposed to believe a world of what you say?
Besides, people who hate Israel ALWAYS hate Jews. All that consideration for allegedly “real” Jews is 100% FAKE.
(a) The World Congress of Zionism was founded in 1897, QcC, Zionism is a European Nationalistic Racist Political movement with the aim of creating an exclusive Jewish State, no different from the European National Socialist (racist) party (NAZI) particularly in Zionisms emulation of the Nazi superiority ideals.
No one would doubt anti-Judaism is a historical fact, it`s a sad reflection of human nature to dislike any minority that chooses to be different, but it is not correct to assume that Jews were the only, or the main, victims of persecution.
(b) The Irish Senate BDS legislation is just one example of BDS success, you claimed BDS was ineffective.
(c) The 1973 war was the only Arab instigated conflict, every other conflict was started with Israeli aggression, The books of Moshe Dyan and Ariel Sharon contain declarations of Israeli aggression’s even in 1967. The Israeli historian Ilan Pappe has written several histories of Israel which confirm unjustified Zionist aggression, apart from 73.
(d) Muslims did fight in German forces, mostly on the Eastern front, but so did many Jews and many Jewish Nazi officers received medals for their valor. In 1938 the New York “Time” magazine had Adolf Hitler as their “Man of the year”, later in 1939 there were pro-German demonstrations throughout the USA, with massive demonstrations in New York and Chicago.
In February 1937, Hagana leader Feival Polkes traveled to Berlin to meet with Adolf Eichmann (yes THAT Adolf Eichmann), Eichmann was invited to Palestine arriving later that year in Haifa to be hosted by Zionist Hagana leaders, before traveling to Cairo where he held several days discussions with senior Hagana leaders (Including David ben Gurion).
An agreement was made for Fieval Polkes to spy for Nazi Germany by revealing British military information, Feival Polkes aided the Nazi war effort and was paid by Nazi Germany up to the time of Berlins occupation by Soviet Russia. Vichy France had the mandate for Syria, where Luftwaffe aircraft operated from bombing British positions from information provided by Feival Polkes.
The Holocaust did not happen in Palestine, why then are Palestinians punished for the crimes that were committed in Europe?
Thank`s for giving me the opportunity to provide illumination on your ignorance.
What’s fake is the notion that European Jews are Hebrews. Dr. Elhaik discusses it and Shlomo Sand explains it in his book ,” The Invention of the Jewish People “.
“What’s fake is the notion that European Jews are Hebrews”
No, that’s actually GENETICALLY PROVEN!
SCIENCE TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS!
Dr. Elhaik proved otherwise. And Shlomo Sand did too. Renters like yourself can’t understand that There are no more Hebrews and Ashkenazi Jews are not of Hebrew descent. The closest things to a Hebrew are Arab Jewz, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims. You are delusional and a Hasbara Troll. So should Swedish Christians claim that they are direct descendants of the first century Christians of the Middle East?
Adolf Hitler tried for years to prove that there was such a thing as a “Jewish Race”, it seems QcC that you share his beliefs!
Hitler failed of course and “Eugenics” was totally discredited.
Just as well really – I mean how could Chinese and Indian Jews fit into Hitlers Jewish Race theories, eh?
P.S. The original Hebrews originated in what is now Iraq, that would make them what we now call Arabs, or Semites if you prefer to use the 19th century definition of “Middle East Origin”.
You show appalling disrespect to Judaism.
So I see you are walking.
100% of the Arab children who died were victims of conflicts CAUSED BY HAMAS AND FATAH!
They PROVOKED those conflicts and then did everything they could to CAUSE civilian casualties, so they could parade them before international media, to claim victim status.
The Israelis do everything possible to AVOID civilian casualties, but Hamas put their weapons, rocket launchers etc. in the middle of RESIDENTIAL AREAS. Without any alleged “need” to do so. They have TONS of non-populated areas.
READ THE GENEVA CONVENTION: It says very clearly that it is TOTALLY ILLEGAL to place fighting units, weapons or ammunition in civilian areas.
If one side violates this rule, then the other side has EVERY RIGHT to fire on those positions and all civilian victims are to be blamed on the side that exposed them to these attacks!
That’s PRECISELY to avoid the evil shit Hamas is doing.
So the Israelis cannot be blamed for a single victim – child or adult – who died because they were FORCED to retaliate against attacks originating from within civilian areas.
Total and utter Hasbara nonsense, QcC, just more long discredited Zionist propaganda aimed at the ignorant.
You only need to look at the B`Tselem Israeli Information Center website to find many examples of Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children (and adults) as human shields.
The Israeli IDF soldiers (and ex IDF soldiers) website “Breaking the Silence” which documents statements from IDF soldiers who were ordered to commit crimes against humanity (including using Palestinians as human shields) in the illegally occupied West Bank.
In the Knesset September 2016, Ehud Barak and Moshe Yaalon both stated “(Zionist) Israel is acting like and becoming a Fascist State”.
When two leading Israeli figures compare Zionist Israel with Nazi Germany, every supporter of Israel, particularly Hasbara volunteers should be seriously concerned.
There is overwhelming evidence of Israeli crimes against Palestinians, it`s self delusional to attempt to hide that reality.
Q.v. got his news from the Jewish Virtual Lie- brary. It’s an Israel can do no wrong propaganda spin site.
The Israel-hating Arabs (unlike those who love living in Israel) are the AGGRESSORS, not the victims!
If they laid down their arms, there would immediately be peace.
If Israel laid down its arms, they would be destroyed the next day.
Make peace. Not land theft.
Makes sense. God does not have a real estate license. What would you do if someone came to your house and said get out, God gave it to me? Then they leveled your olive grove and then they did it to your neighbor and then they said you would not be allowed to vote even though the West Bank settlers can. What would you do? Make Hummus?
THE WORLD JUST TALKS AND TALKS AND TALKS, WHILE ISRAEL TAKES AND TAKES AND TAKES. WORLDWIDE SUPPORT OF BDS IS THE ANSWER TO THIS INJUSTICE BEING PERPETRATED BY ARROGANT ISRAEL.
Last Friday (March 24), the UN Secretary-General submitted his first quarterly report to the UN Security Council on the implementation of Resolution 2334. Adopted in December, the Resolution reaffirms that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law. It further instructs the Secretary-General to report to the Council every three months on the implementation of the provisions of the present resolution.
Very well written article. Too bad that the only that has any truth is that the UN pulled out the original report. The information here, based entirely on propaganda lacks facts. First of all Israel is no, under international, illegally occupying ‘Palestinian’ land for two reasons: 1. the ‘Palestinians’ were invented in the 20th century and 2. Illegal occupation is defined as when a sovereign state violently (armed) attacks another sovereign state and forcibly resettles it’s civilians into the occupied lands. Since Israel was attacked by 5 Arab armies and won the war including lands that were previously under the auspices of the Ottoman Empire which dissolved in 1917 — the first part of the illegal occupation has no base. Secondly he fails to point out that mandatory education was introduced by Israel, that the universities in Judea and Samaria (a.k.a. West Bank) were built by Israel, that the PA is incapable in providing jobs for those living there so Israel has built factories providing hundreds of thousands of jobs for the Arabs living in the PA with all rights given to Israeli citizens. The Jews are forbidden from traveling around freely, not the Arabs who can get to any place they please — once they have been given security clearance. But of course when a piece of baseless propaganda is well written, the uneducated are gullible in believe what is written, even if there is no base to the written word. Good that the UN took off the report, too bad it is still available on line as food for more antisemitism.
Sorry peaceandquiet, but your comments are nonsense, you may very well believe them with all sincerity, that said they are still complete nonsense – sorry!
I agree with Mike Thompson on everything and others have a biased agenda. To mask the truth anti antisemitism card is used. Israel is an apartheid state. The Israeli government and its people who support them are doing wicked things to the Palestinians.
Israeli people do have a right to exist as do Palestinian peoples. The UK, France and USA have truly F**ked-up and so much suffering caused. Middle east and Palestine/Israel situation will take many 100s of years to resolve. It is in Israel’s interest to knowledge the issues and put it right only then will they get peace. For now they and others will suffer.
World governments must impose sanctions on Israel immediately for their multiple, brazen and sustained violations of international law and their absurd attempts at normalization of the vile and condemnable crimes of genocide and apartheid. Isreal has no right to exist as this kind of state. Israel is a deplorably racist society. The sooner the world prosecutes and isolates them the better for global security in general and justice for the long suffering Palestinians in particular.
The irony is your comment is racist to the core. If not, where would you want Israel to exist?
illegal state of israel..israel shouldn’t exist
People like YOU – antisemitic assholes – shouldn’t exist.
Israel is one of the best countries on the planet and it contributes enormously to human progress. Unlike you.
The existence of Israel is racist to the core. Why do European Jews need their own state based on the absurd belief of land ownership over 2000 years ago? Do Christians have their own State? European Jews were liberated by the allies at the end of WW2. They could have repossessed their homes then. But they decided to migrate to Palestine and steal land that is the basis for blow back and they claims of rockets shooting into Israel. These rocket shooters are called terrorist because they were trying to get their land back. What would you do if someone came to your house and said get out, God gave it to me? Were the European Jews terrorists when they fought the Nazis who stole their land?
How about the Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Haganah? These Jewish terrorist groups murdered 100’s of Arabs and destroyed dozens of Arab villages in the 1920′ to the 40’s. Yet many Jews call them freedom fighters. Freedom from what?
People like YOU are racist to the core!
It’s because of antisemitic idiots like you that Jews HAD to create their own country, in order to be able to protect themselves.
As EUROPEAN (non-religious) I would very much like Europe to remain European and not become just another 3rd world shithole – which it will become if we allow unlimited mass immigration.
Interestingly, African countries didn’t like colonialism. No one likes when they are being INVADED.
That’s totally different from SOME people from foreign countries immigrating in small numbers and only because they have a profound appreciation for their new home country, it’s culture and its people.
Clearly, you don’t respect Jews and you want people who hate Jews to have the “right” to immigrate into Israel.
Why in the world should Israelis agree to that?
Again, another Hasbara Troll trying to defend a racist ideology of Extreme Zionism. So, answer this, what would you do if someone came to your house and said get out, God gave it to me? Does God have a real estate licences?
There is nothing wrong with European Jewish immigration to Palestine. But the ones who go there, should assimilate to the region and buy the land instead if stealing it. It’s just as you would expect immigrants to Europe should assimilate to European standards.
So what’s your excuse for the Irgun, The Stern gang? They murdered hundreds of Arabs and leveled dozens of Arab villages in the 1920s and to the 40’s. They were European Jews fighting to steal land from the indiginous people. This is unlike Hamas and Hezbollah. They are fighting colonizers who stole their land and houses.So, after you have read Mr. Hammond’s book, you should be a changed man. If not you should crawl back under the rock from where you came, Hasbara Troll.
“another Hasbara Troll”
Your need for such pathetic, retarded strawmen shows that you are not interested in facts or debates.
You simply dismiss anyone who destroys your hate mongering lies as “Hasbara Troll”.
Unfortunately for you, I’m SWISS, ethnically 100% European, Atheist and I have no connection with Israel other than that I visited the country to see with my own eyes how it works and having made friends there.
I’m also classical liberal / libertarian.
I have no idea what kind of ideology “Zionism” is supposed to be – all it meant was the desire to create a Jewish home land, which has been achieved.
What other ideological goal should be behind Zionism?
Totally retarded bullshit.
I know enough Israelis now to be able to say that ALL they want is TO LIVE IN PEACE and being productive, while I’ve also debated hundreds of Muslims and their primary goal is to SPREAD ISLAM.
UNLIKE Israelis, Hamas do follow an ideology.
According to the Hamas charter from 1988, published here by Yale University:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
the goal of Hamas is the DESTRUCTION of Israel and if they should ever succeed, the spreading of Sharia law over the rest of the planet.
I do not agree with their first goal and I most DEFINITELY do not agree with their second goal.
Islam is the most RETARDED and EVIL ideology the world has ever seen.
Hence I want to see it disappear, not being spread by imbeciles who never achieve anything productive in their lives, because their cult tells them not to use their brains.
Yes, I read the Quran and lots of Hadiths, that’s why I know what that cult tells its followers.
This is the level of retardedness we’re dealing with:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5331069/Hamas-founder-dies-accidentally-shooting-himself.html
There is only the truth unlike the Jewish Virtual Lie brary.
Read “Obstacles to Peace” by Jeremy Hammond . There is no debate here just the facts. Did you ever hear of the Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Haganah. They stoke it. Or dud they buy it? Did you buyit? Who bombed the King David Hotel in 1946 killing 48 people? Who attacked the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967? GOD? YOU?
Your comments have Hasbara Troll all over them.
https://www.obstacletopeace.com/
The large majority of the some 15 million followers of Judaism live in their own respective homelands successfully integrated into society, they have neither the need nor the desire to live on occupied Palestinian land.
Zionist Israelis have applied a policy of Genocidal Apartheid aimed at removing as many of the intrinsic Palestinian population as possible.
Not even Apartheid South Africa attempted to remove intrinsic Africans from their homeland.
There are some 6 million Zionist Israelis of mostly European origin, as for Palestinians, they number 12 million (5 million UN registered Palestinian refugees, all denied the right of return to their homeland, 2 million Palestinians in the Gaza Ghetto, 3 million Palestinians in the illegally occupied West Bank and almost 2 million Palestinians living within Zionist Israel).
Zionism refuses integration with non-Jews, which is short sighted, demographics always results in the majority succeeding.
Zionism has always refused to integrate with the majority population, which makes you wonder why Palestine was chosen, Montana would have been a far better choice, even to-day it`s quite sparsely inhabited!
Why do people of a religion need their own country. Do Lutherans or Baptists have their own country? Being Jewish is being of a religion and not of a people. There were many religion conversions over the centuries and you could be one of them. Was Sammy Davis Junior a Hebrew.? No he converted to Judaism . Elizabeth Taylor converted to Judaism. Was she one of God’s chosen? How about Chinese Jews? Was Moses Chinese? So when you convert to Judaism, does your DNA change to Hebrew DNA?
It has NOTHING to do with religion!
Being ETHNICALLY JEWISH has nothing to do with being a follower of Judaism. Those are 2 totally different issues.
A Jew MAY or MAY NOT follow Judaism.
Jews are prosecuted whether they are followers of Judaism or not – because they are ETHNICALLY Jewish.
Most of my friends in Israel are agnostic or atheist. They all experienced prosecution outside of Israel, although they have nothing to do with Judaism.
Hence totally non-religious Jews defend Israel as their homeland, because they are not safe anywhere else.
And of course they cannot allow Muslims to take over Israel with demographic warfare, as they did in so many other countries.
The pathetic LIE about anti-zionnism being different from antisemitism is obvious when you see that they attack JEWS IN GENERAL, even outside of Israel – and irrespective of whether they are religious or non-religious.
It has NOTHING to do with religion!
Being ETHNICALLY JEWISH has nothing to do with being a follower of Judaism. Those are 2 totally different issues.
A Jew MAY or MAY NOT follow Judaism.
Jews are prosecuted whether they are followers of Judaism or not – because they are ETHNICALLY Jewish.
Most of my friends in Israel are agnostic or atheist. They all experienced prosecution outside of Israel, although they have nothing to do with Judaism.
Hence totally non-religious Jews defend Israel as their homeland, because they are not safe anywhere else.
And of course they cannot allow Muslims to take over Israel with demographic warfare, as they did in so many other countries.
The pathetic LIE about anti-zionnism being different from antisemitism is obvious when you see that they attack JEWS IN GENERAL, even outside of Israel – and irrespective of whether they are religious or non-religious.
All blabber from a blabbering Hasbara troll. European Jews had a right to migrate to Palestine as long as they assimilated to this land. It’s what the Europeans are expecting from immigrants from the Middle East. These immigrants didn’t steal land from the Europeans, did they? The migrating Europeans stole land and killed hundreds of indiginous people because of the delusional belief that they are the extinct Hebrews reincarnated and that God has a real estate license. You didn’t answer the question. What would you do if someone came to your house and said get out, God gave it to me? So what would you doTroll? You are a anti semitic Arab hater. And enough of the Biblical passages.
“another Hasbara Troll”
Just have to repeat:
Your need for such pathetic, retarded strawmen shows that you are not interested in facts or debates.
The only one who blathers, here, is your side.
You’re a pathetic moron who is totally unable to engage in intelligent, factual debate.
Trying to dismiss my arguments by attacking me as something I most definitely am NOT is simply pathetic.
I know it’s convenient for your delusions to assume that anyone who opposes your lies is somehow connected with Jews and Israel, but I’m neither.
Get used to it – totally average Europeans reject your bullshit, because it is so obviously wrong.
Now stop your lies:
Jews did NOT steal any land. They BOUGHT land.
And creating the COUNTRY Israel did NOT affect anyone’s property rights.
Muslims simply did not want to admit that a formerly Muslim country should no longer be a Muslim country, period.
By the end of the Mandate, Jews had only managed to acquire about 7% of the land in Palestine. The rest was acquired by force and theft.
Lies, lies, lies…
a) there were no “Palestinians”. The term appeared in 1967 for the first time.
b) so you want to talk about land belonging to Muslims … who LEFT THE COUNTRY voluntarily, as they expected their Muslim brothers to attack and destroy the Jews, so that they could return and STEAL THEIR LAND, right?
According to independent research, 90% of those Arabs never saw an Israeli soldier. They left because they were told that they had to, to allow the Arab attack on Israel.
c) The creation of Israel DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT PRIVATE LAND OWNERSHIP!!!
Just because the country was now ruled by Jews instead of being ruled by Muslims did NOT mean that a single Muslim lost his property rights.
That was only a consequence of the war.
Lies, lies, lies, indeed! You have been grossly misinformed. You shouldn’t believe all that lying Zionist propaganda. The truth is that, during the post World War I Mandate period, both Jews and Arabs were known as “Palestinians”.
Furthermore, like I said, by at the end of the Mandate, the Jews owned less than 7% of the land in Palestine — mostly acquired by exploiting feudalistic Ottoman land laws that deprived the Arab inhabitants of their property rights.
They fled out of fear of further massacres like at Deir Yassin, because they were terrorized into flight, or because Zionist forces expelled them.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/11/14/benny-morriss-untenable-denial-of-the-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/
You’re right. The fact that the Zionists stole Palestinians’ lands did not change the fact that the Palestinians’ property rights.
You should read this book as an antidote to your indoctrination into Zionist lies:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DNRFRJR
You are either ignorant or high on crack. Read “Obstacles to Peace” by Jeremy Hammond
Obstacle to Peace: The US Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
https://www.obstacletopeace.com/
Hasbara Troll
Wow, no wonder things are so easy for Israel – their enemies are complete imbeciles. This seems to be the only argument you guys have against anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
That’s not exactly a way to win a debate…
The real imbeciles are the Zionists who believe they are direct descendents of the Hebrews. Not only are they imbeciles like you, but they are thieves who continue to steal land from the indiginous people. And Europeans are not indiginous and neither are you. If you read ” Obstacles to Peace” by Jeremy Hammond , the debate is won and you lose.
And what do you say about the Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Haganah? They were notorious European terrorist groups. These so called freedom fighters from Europe murdered hundreds of Arabs for freedom of what? They were freed by the allies in WW2. What would you do if someone came to your house and said get out, God gave it to me? Would you say sure take or and shake their hand? Or maybe you would join a real freedom fighter group like Hamas. God doesnt have a realestate license. So, the case is closed proilliterate. You’re not even close to winning this debate. The facts speak for themselves. Then add the new law that the Israeli government just passed that in short states that Israel is for Jews only. A beautiful example of bigotry and racism. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You dont get it. God doesnt have a realestate license. What would you do if someone comes to your house and says get out, God gave it to me? So, what would you do? Read “Obstacles to Peace “by Jeremy Hammond . And if you don’t get it, you are either a racist, a bigot delusional or all 3. Just read that book and not the Bible. Case closed.
Actually, sab, Zionist terror groups killed thousands of Palestinians and totally destroyed some 600 Palestinian villages, massacring and evicting the occupants.
Google “Tantura” or “Tantura Massacre” for information on the destruction of that coastal Palestinian village, now a picturesque area known as Dor.
Successive Israeli Governments have denied a massacre took place there, despite ample evidence that some 300 unarmed villagers were executed, their remains now covered by a car park.
Zionist Terror groups killed over 400 British administrators and soldiers, starting with the assassination of Lord Moyne (himself a Zionist) in November 1944.
Fortunately, there is no such thing as “world government”. What kind of idiot would even talk about such an imaginary thing?
Everything else you say is complete bullshit.
There are at least 150 countries INFINITELY much worse than Israel on every imaginable level, but you rant about Israel.
I haven’t seen a single post from you about the horrible conditions in Sudan, Somalia, Chad, Congo, Nigeria, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran etc.
That’s a dead giveaway – you don’t give a flying shit about human rights and the plight of the allegedly “oppressed”, you just hate Jews.
Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. There are no others.
Israel is fundamentally an undemocratic state, having been established after the Zionists rejected the Arabs’ proposed democratic solution in favor of ethnically cleansing more than 700,000 Arabs from their homes in order to establish their demographically “Jewish state”.
WTF is this bullshit?
Israel is the ONLY democratic state in the entire region. More democratic than, say, France.
In Israel, politicians actually are prosecuted and condemned for corruption and other crimes, while in France, all PMs got away with extremely severe corruption and other crimes.
More than 1.5 million Arabs live in Israel. They have full representation. They are more prosperous and live in greater safety than the people in 57 Muslim majority countries.
And yes, not ONE Muslim majority country is even remotely democratic.
Even Turkey has descended into a total dictatorship under Erdogan.
Go worry about countries where there are REAL problems.
I HAVE PASSPORTS THAT SAYS PALESTINE ON THE FRONT COVER, IN SIDE ITS IN ENGLISH , ARABIC & HEBREW THAT WE USED TO COME TO OUR BELOVED AMERICA,LOOK UP MAPS IN THE EARLY 30S& 40S YOU WILL SEE PALESTINE!!! THERE WAS NO ISRAEL!!!!!!!!! I AM PROUD US ARMY VETERAN , GOD BLESS OUR BELOVED AMERICA!!!!!
The FLAG of that Palestine in the 1930s was THE STAR OF DAVID on a blue and white background!
Palestine was simply the Roman name for ISRAEL.
There has never been an Arabic country “Palestine”. The P doesn’t even exist, in Arabic.
Israel existed and had a majority Jewish population at all times.
Even the evil bastard Marx confirmed this in his New-York Herald Tribune 1854 article about the Middle East:
“the sedentary population of Jerusalem numbers about 15,500 souls, of whom 4,000 are Mussulmans and 8,000 Jews”
There.
What a silly claim, QcC, the Flag of Israel, the blue star of David on a white background with a blue border top and bottom, was created on the 28th October 1948, prior to that date it did not exist!
Palestine is a western word for Filistine, first used by Herodotus (The Greek Father of History) in 450 BC.
Egyptian Hieroglyphs dating back over 5,000 years describe Filistine.
The Hebrews originated in what is now Iraq, Abraham was born in the ancient city of Ur, close to to-days Basra, Abraham arrived in Filistine (Canaan) some 400 years before David and Solomon ruled there as a Jewish minority for no more than 69 years.
During that time it was part of the Egyptian “Empire”, as was Acre that was ruled by the Jewish “King” Hyram for a similar time.
Karl Marx never visited Palestine! so where did he get his figures from?
The Ottoman census of 1854, is the only one to include religious beliefs, it recorded that the Palestinian population was 5% Jewish, 15% Christian and 80% Muslim.
Silly, childish and rather delusional to make up facts to suit your ignorant beliefs, QcC.
Your pathetic insults mean nothing.
You are not even childish, you are plain evil.
I have FACTS, you have your lies.
You seem to suffer from Paranoia, QcC, and Delusional facts, such as your weird belief that the flag of Israel existed in the 1930`s – not even Netanyahu would make such a daft claim- and he has a reputation for porkie pies!
I simply provided you with very easily verifiable historical facts, facts that a 10 year old child could reveal, and your response is to metaphorically shout and stamp your feet like a spoilt (and ill mannered) toddler faced with an unpalatable truth.
You may wallow in the security of the Hasbara archives, not realising they are Zionist one sided propaganda, you have (in my opinion) every right to do so, however the risk you take is receiving responses that correct your false assumptions.
For myself, I am grateful for people like yourself who provide ample opportunity for the historical record to be exposed – and you do make it very easy!
The hilarious part is that you pretend that your name is “Mike Thompson”, but your speech pattern is 100% Arabic, while your expressions and references are 100% Islamic.
So why do you use a fake name?
EVERYTHING you say is a blatant lie!
There’s no point in debating totally dishonest people like you who pretend to be someone they are not.
There’s a difference between an anonymous profile and a profile that pretends to be someone they are not.
You`re a strange one QcC.
You have consistently posted erroneous comments, claiming factual historical responses must be lies driven by a hatred of Judaism and motivated by an Islamic extremist using a false name.
It`s simply a delusional excuse, and quite childish, to avoid debate when you have lost the argument, not uncommon with those who find themselves “out of their depth”.
I did toy with the idea of “Diogenes” as a user name, but to be honest I thought it rather pretentious, though I accept that many others have no such reservations.
Incidentally, I’m SWISS and not Jewish.
Your narrative according to which it’s all about “Hasbra” is pathetic.
I just came across your idiotic article and having been to Israel, I simply observed that it was infinitely much better than ANY of the Islamic countries I visited.
The world needs more Israel, less Islam.
Actually, the world doesn’t need ANY Islam. It’s crap.
If pigs could fly, I`d fly a pig, to foreign countries small and big.
I`d meet the folk, I`d get their view, if pigs could fly, that`s what I`d do.
You could be Muslim, Sikh or Hindu, QcC, as far as I`m concerned religion is a personal matter, for those who need to believe in Monotheism or Polytheism. Me? I`m a football loving Brit fed up with the inconsistencies of the Soccer Gods, Croatians would no doubt disagree!
Switzerland is a dramatically beautiful country, I`ve driven through it a couple of times and once had a weeks hideously expensive, and I mean hideously expensive, skiing holiday in Zermatt.
I have Israeli relations in Tel Aviv who I have visited, a male Israeli relation (UK Passport holder) came along with a group backpacking in Iran in 2012, nothing like our pre-concieved ideas, the Iranians were disarmingly friendly and helpful, even the police, the food was excellent and Tehran was a revelation.
In 2017 we returned with our wives for a more touristy trip around the historical sites and the new National library, a huge buildings and quite unique with mostly Farsi and Arabic books, but also every other language you can think of including Mandarin, English and Hebrew!
Wherever we went the welcome was overwhelming, English speaking Iranians were keen to hold discussions and suggest what we should see, all in all we were really impressed, and determined to visit Iran in the future – one criticism is the traffic, Iranian drivers seem unable to comprehend driving discipline, worse even than Paris drivers!
FAKE from beginning to end!
You actually want people to believe that you are a serious source, not just hate propaganda.
THIS is the real Foreign Policy Magazine and it has NOTHING to do with your scam!
https://foreignpolicy.com/
Your authors are fake, too. Totally false names and attributions.
By using western names and fake titles, you try to gain credibility, which you don’t have. This is simply anti-Israel hate propaganda based on NOTHING.
If Israel were a Democracy, it would be called Palestine.
Or in Arabic Filistine, and there are Egyptian Hieroglyphs over 5,000 years old that refer to Filistine.